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Health, fitness and looking good 7. Finance 8. Special treats 9. Working and retirement Building your dream retirement home Property development in retirement That is the place to be, and my savings will make me feel confident that my son will always have a meal; something that was not true for my parents. I recently FIREd at 50, retiring at the same time as my dad who is Reaching FI will always be easier for some people than others and easier in some eras than others due to fluctuations in the economy, stock market, job market and housing market.
However, arguably all Americans would do better to follow the principles of FI regardless of whether they retire early or at traditional retirement age:. The FIRE community is demystifying investing and best personal finance practices and offering a different way to think about life planning. Who wants to live in a social system which enslaves us to corporations? Very well said. When you start hearing about people proclaiming they retired in their 20s or even early 30s, it starts to get a little absurd. I totally agree with you, Sam.
The whole FIRE movement with these people retiring in their 30s is pure ridiculousness. So, not only are they not contributing to society, but they are also a burden on society. I do want to write something about getting subsidized healthcare as a super early retiree.
Something seems wrong with that, I agree while having multi millions in net worth. In reality, FIRE is a tiny bubble with at most a few thousand serious adherents. I think the FIRE movement took it a little too far. What do you do with your life by retiring in your 30s or 40s? Everyone needs some sort of mental stimulation and to have a feeling of some contribution to society.
The FIRE movement should not have been a surprise to develop during this artificial extension of a Kondratieff Autumn. Now Winter will finally manifest in spite of CB intervention. I think the important part is having FU money in the meanwhile just in case. An emergency fund on steroids, as it were. I suppose that FIRE practitioners are optimists- 1.
To be really financially secure or even rich and then retire in your 50s is awesome. I believe the balance of power will shift towards traditional retirement again as the market melts down, and settle with DIRE. Even if a hyperinflationary even happened, or the event of a economic crisis, the markets have to comeback at some point. House paid off, cars paid off, a few rental properties, land thats paid off, and a few spare million without touching my main portfolio , should be enough to ride through most economic crises and maintain my quality of life.
If i have to worry, what about everyone else in the world???
This article is genius. I agree with everything you said. Your so funny and creative Sam! Interesting post. Everyone has a different approach, but mine has worked well for me. Also, working is very rewarding when you enjoy what you do. The socializing alone is worth the cost of admission. When you trade hours for dollars it is very hard to get traction because you simply run out of hours.
The underlying theory behind FIRE is very admirable. But, I think the news media, and some popular yet lazy bloggers have set people on the wrong path. Independence is the key to happiness and exactly what the FIRE community is really trying to accomplish anyway. Maybe I am naive. It was scary as hell when I started at By 33 I had worked out all the kinks. Fast forward several more years and now it just seems normal. Many in my circle of friends did something similar even though they all are from different walks of life.
Accountants, lawyers, tech folks, etc. Some purely freelance their skills, but most opened up a business they could basically run from home or a small shared office space. Sometimes you actually need a structure to do what you love surgeon, movie producer, etc. I would rather be a plumber working for myself than a big firm lawyer.
Put a couple of plumbers underneath me at a small business within a few years and I might be making the same salary anyway. Factor in all the tax benefits of having a small business and I might be doing better financially. Start doing commercial plumbing with your team and you would crush the salary of a surgeon, law firm partner, etc. Richest people I know started out with small construction companies running a crew of five or less including themselves. I sat down with a good friend of mine once who is an accountant. He started small, but now has about 5, clients and a staff of 10 or so.
I thought he had an amazing viewpoint on exactly who makes the big bucks and keeps it after tax. His clients are business owners, lawyers, doctors, google employees, … everyone. He told me by a wide margin that small business owners are his wealthiest and happiest clients. Lawyers, doctors, computer programmers, all do well, but most were living paycheck to paycheck and had accumulated next to nothing in investment accounts.
He said his wealthiest client sells pipes to oil refineries. He just buys the pipes in bulk and stores them until a new oil rig needs the pipes. Just a middle man who saw an opportunity while installing the pipes himself. Good perspective! Nobody can walk into my local coffee shop and fire me!
But, for me anyway, it would still be very annoying to have to start taking money out of a savings account to live off of because my boss was having a bad day or a big client decided I needed to go. Have to totally agree with everything you said here. Anyway I wound up leaving a pretty cushy and well paying job behind as well as k in unvested stock to purchase a small business and run that. I think that a lot of people who are attracted to the FIRE movement would actually be totally fulfilled if they became self employed or started a business or purchased one for that matter.
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I always want to maintain some involvement in one or more businesses that I own. That being said, I do plan to go through different seasons in life where I have more or less involvement in the day to day operation of the business. Oddly enough, one of my favorite things about having a business is how GREAT it makes me feel to take really good care of my employees and give them a fantastic place to work. My brother, who often looks very grungy and lacks a formal education, has more than even his accountant, who earns far more!
They both earn substantial salaries. Superb perspective and the real meaning of FIRE. I have just saved up the money. Now I am planning to start a small business. Thanks for sharing this perspective. It made my day! Great article. Reflects a lot of things that have irked me with the recent FIRE explosion in the media. FS still remains one of the most level headed sites on personal financial independence. Part-time consulting is likely the most probably route.
It was a shock to me at 56 I was not even considered for accounting jobs at any level I had CA and many other qualifications. Being downsized from my job was a shock but I bought property so I had rental income, and took my company pension at I took a job at half the pay for the security in one of my fields. When that shop closed down after 14 months, I got a very lucrative contract job for another year. Every penny of my severance package and and cash flow above basic expenses went into savings. After that, I had a few contracts here and there, and part-time jobs for the fun of it but I did not break into savings.
Learning how to invest in the stock market and levered real estate appreciation pushed my net worth up fast so I had no worries. I worked in the Asset Management business and everyone has tons of letters after their names. I suspect lots of young people are investing too much in stocks. A big downturn will discourage them quite a bit.
Passive income and side hustle is the key to FIRE. DIRE times might call for more diversification. Its not as risky, historically, as you might think. MMM has heaps of money coming in from his blog etc. Just self-employed. Young people are investing less than past generations. Oh Snap!! Always late to the party…. Sam, are you headed back to work to weather the upcoming recession with a job and blog income and your other streams or some other reason? Not sure if I missed a blog post explaining the thought behind that. After age 2, my boy will be sleeping better, be stronger and be more aware of his surrounds.
We plan to send him to pre-school at 2. We are both stay at home parents. But I do the front office work for FS and she does the back office work. And of course, being a stay at home parent is the hardest work of all. Sam is a workaholic. Some people need to work. Not only that, it helps that she says she enjoys her job and is willing to work for many more years. For me, I need to keep my eye on the ball a little more just to make sure my wife can continue being a SAHM until our son goes to kindergarten.
I also found my job pretty exciting for 10 out of the 13 years. It was awesome to travel to Asia for work and discover emerging businesses and such. Conferences were fun too. I definitely agree it is easier to be a stay at home dad and be retired if I can make my wife work It is much easier to relax when I have that safety net. You could relax if you want to. Happy holidays! Sorry Joe but after reading your comments I came to the conclusion you are lazy.
Complain about being promoted to Sr engineer, never went to toast masters, never go to the gym. Come on man, what do you do all day. He is definitely not lazy. He envisioned a better life for himself as compared to continuing in the corporate world, and he engineered a solution to achieve that vision. When I FIRE, I plan to spend at least one day a week just napping in the sun and watching clouds and butterflies go by! Because I can! Besides after years of inhaling stale stinky skanky recirculated airconditioned office air, I deserve to be spoilt with fresh air! I deserve better than to be locked down in a cubicle all day!
I deserve open spaces! Man healthcare kills you. Hope you get that vacation-like job! Have you found anything that you like so far? Looking forward to a post where you break down that journey when you are done. Venture Capitalist. If you make losing bets, you still get paid a handsome salary for the life of the fund. Not bad! Hilarious, love it. But the stagnant median income meme is old, and a post on my blog using the real government data proves that median incomes have gone up faster than inflation in all states in America since Sure there have been times within that time frame where it has been stagnant or even gone down, but adjusted for inflation the median income is higher than it was in Now, where that gets negated as you clearly point out is in home prices and college costs, the two biggest out of control costs, esp the latter.
I think the college worry is overblown. The outrageous costs Sam cites are for prestigious colleges that many upper middle class people think they must send their kids to or else they will end up failures in life. Most people go to college at their local state university which is much cheaper. Seriously, everything is free now on the Internet. Even public school is going up in price at that same rate. DIRE enthusiast here. In fact, FIRE is a great challenge. Shoot for the moon but land somewhere slightly lower. You still end up in a better place. She might be a fan, to say the least.
Add another DIRE enthusiast to the list. It seems like an awfully safe bet. Even cool jobs get annoying but when you have enough FU money in the bank the petty annoyances are a lot less stressful. Lot of people have or will retire at the earliest possible moment and have a lean FIRE which likely will be extinguished with the next market downturn.
I do hope we are wrong because between the two choices FIRE is the one that provides the most optimistic lifestyle in retirement. Not sure how much of this is satire and how much not…. Unless you have a very high paying job and are super frugal or strike it lucky at a tech company etc. Then there were periods of unemployment — I could be picky about a job because I had money — and then stock market crashes etc dotcom, GFC.
Then I got married very late , bought a house at 50 , and had a child. But at the moment my job is fairly easy going in recent years it was a lot more work and high paying so I am going to stick around for another year at least as I rearrange my finances etc and see if there is a big downturn in the economy and how well I navigate it. So, I have saved at a high rate till recently and from age 30 on had a middle to upper middle income job except for a couple of years but an inheritance is what actually looks like enabling early retirement if I want it.
By the way, if people have children later then all else equal the children will get an inheritance earlier. If we last till 80 the kids inherit at My goal is to pass on at least as much as I inherited about USD 1. Nigel, normal life expectancy is much older than You need to plan to live to Better to die with money leftover than broke. The nest egg will grow in retirement so that should be possible to live well without using principal and leave a nice legacy.
I love your idea of funding the future generations. Alternatively, if you want to do it yourself, tot up all your outgoings and make a generous allowance for the way inflation will increase these costs over the course of your retirement. Then see how that figure stacks up against your total fixed income, including from any final salary and state pensions, income from properties and other income-generating investments.
If you have income from shares, bonds or funds, remember that your income could fluctuate with markets. Y ou should ensure that you have a strategy to pay for increased care in your own home or in a care home. Just after you have retired is not a good time to set out your plan for giving, as you may change your plans and decide you need your money after all to be able to lead your retirement in a different way.
A good time to set out your gifting strategy is several years after you have retired — typically in your late 60s and early 70s, when you have a clearer idea of how your retirement is likely to pan out.
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For people with several children and grandchildren, working out who should get what can be the hardest and most delicate part of the process. A s with writing a will, giving away different amounts of money to different family members while you are still alive can cause resentment. That is why it makes sense to have a dialogue with the entire family, ideally with a financial planner in the room who can give an independent view. If one family member clearly needs money more desperately than another, explaining that they are getting their inheritance upfront and will see their bequest via your will reduced accordingly can lessen the tension.
Family dynamics are complex. Where there are some children who themselves have children and other children who do not, grandparents may be tempted to jump a generation and give to the grandchildren directly.
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However, this can make the childless children feel less worthy. One way around this is to give fixed amounts to grandchildren and then divide the rest equally between the children. Giving to young adult grandchildren also carries the risk that they will not put it to good use, and also that they will not learn the value of money and the work involved in having to earn it. Trust funds do not need to be expensive and can solve a multitude of problems when trustees can allocate funds when appropriate.
T here is no point giving money just for the sake of it. Gifts could be fixed amounts of money for specific purposes. If you survive seven years after making a gift, it does not form part of your estate and is tax-free.
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